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 Post subject: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:33 pm 
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I should be trying this next weekend, assuming I can get my Dragon painted:

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The Sylvan Host

Highborn on Forest Dragon - 546
Sword of Might, Light Armor, Shield, Annoyance of Netlings, Stone of the Crystal Mere

Wood Elf Noble - 158
Alter Kindred, Great Weapon, Light Armor, Shield, Helm of the Hunt, Hail of Doom Arrow

Spellsinger - 140
2 Dispel Scrolls

10 Glade Guard - 120

10 Glade Guard - 120

5 Glade Riders - 129
Musician

8 Dryads - 96

8 Dryads - 96

6 Wardancers - 115
Musician

6 Wardancers - 115
Musician

6 Wild Riders - 156

6 Wild Riders - 174
Standard Bearer

Treeman - 285

Total - 2250

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:14 pm 
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Location: Got an 8:30 rez at Dorsia... great sea urchin ceviche!
Treeman and a Dragon! Nnnnnice! Nothing out of place jumps out at me, except maybe dropping the non-Warbanner WR for a 3rd unit of Dryads and an Eagle. You have some real combat units in there, unlike most Dragon lists which have, well, just a Dragon and some support units. But your Wardancers are small and if they take heavy fire they will probably get wasted in combat. A 3rd unit of Dryads will help thicken the screen, provide more flexibility against tunnelers, which the new Skaven book might come packed with loads of, and give you a further option for combat support.

The usefulness of the eagle goes without saying. It was my first thought and this was my first idea of how to make room for it, but the Dryads will be invaluable as well.

For what it's worth, you have a real skill at getting what you want out of a list. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:49 pm 
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It'd be a shame if I didn't hear back from you! The above list was actually 2275; I forgot I unchecked the Warbanner in Army Builder. *grr* Here is a revised list I came up with earlier this morning:

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The Sylvan Host

Highborn on Forest Dragon - 557
Spear, Light Armor, Shield, Helm of the Hunt, Hail of Doom Arrow, Stone of the Crystal Mere

Spellsinger - 140
2 Dispel Scrolls

Branchwraith - 140
Level 1, Cluster of Radiants

10 Glade Guard - 120

10 Glade Guard - 120

5 Glade Riders - 120

8 Dryads - 96

8 Dryads - 96

6 Wardancers - 108

6 Wardancers - 108

6 Wild Riders - 156

6 Wild Riders - 199
Standard Bearer, Warbanner

Treeman - 285

Total - 2245


I'm facing a lot of VC and magic heavy WoC lately. Shooting isn't much of an issue. :P

I'm hoping 2 x 8 Dryads, 2 x 6 Wardancers, 2 x 10 GG, and a Treeman will form a solid center. The Dragon and Riders will advance at full speed. They may be on the same flank or separate flanks (given the situation). The HoDA should be a nasty surprise and I'm hoping 5DD and 2DS can get the job done until I can take out a mage or two.

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:18 pm 
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It definately occured to me that the Standard Alter wouldn't really be needed in this list, but I came around quickly in favor. I've certainly never played a WE list without it. :wink: Did you consider my thoughts on the Wild Riders for Dryads/Eagle thing. Even with the changes you just made, I think the idea still holds water.

What about consolidating the Wardancers into 1 x 8 with command instead. My Wardancer have been taking a lot of casualties at range lately. It might not be as much of an issue with you since your opponents are so specific, and you're bringing enough magic defense and Resistance, but I just thought I'd point it out. I've been playing Lizards, Warriors and Skaven mostly with my single scroll caddy Welfs and have been feeling the pain at range. Believe me!

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:58 pm 
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I'm leaning towards this:

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The Sylvan Host

Highborn on Forest Dragon - 557
Spear, Light Armor, Shield, Helm of the Hunt, Hail of Doom Arrow, Stone of the Crystal Mere

Spellsinger - 140
2 Dispel Scrolls

Branchwraith - 140
Level 1, Cluster of Radiants

10 Glade Guard - 120

10 Glade Guard - 120

5 Glade Riders - 120

8 Dryads - 96

8 Dryads - 96

8 Dryads - 96

8 Wardancers - 144

6 Wild Riders - 156

6 Wild Riders - 174
Standard Bearer

Treeman - 285

Total - 2244


I'm not huge on Eagles. :)

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:22 pm 
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To each his own. this is definately an improvement, from my point of view at least. when will you be taking it out? can we count on a BatRep? :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:28 pm 
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Just double checking, you did see the latest version right? I posted two edits very close together.

I'll be fielding it Saturday (assuming I flock and varnish my Dragon by tomorrow :)).

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:57 pm 
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Yes! I just had one of those moments. I know my list is "right" when I get this rush as soon as I add up the total and it fits. I haven't felt that yet with my Dragon lists. Today is starting out well. Here goes:

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The Sylvan Host

Highborn on Forest Dragon - 551
Sword of Might, Light Armor, Shield, Hail of Doom Arrow, Stone of the Crystal Mere

Spellsinger - 140
2 Dispel Scrolls

Branchwraith – 140
Level 1, Cluster of Radiants

10 Glade Guard - 120

10 Glade Guard - 120

5 Glade Riders - 120

8 Dryads - 96

8 Dryads - 96

7 Wardancers - 126

7 Wardancers - 126

6 Wild Riders - 156

6 Wild Riders - 174
Standard Bearer

Treeman - 285

Total – 2250


It's a tiny revision but I think it has a great impact.

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:47 pm 
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Location: Got an 8:30 rez at Dorsia... great sea urchin ceviche!
I like it. Looking forward to hearing some results.

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:07 pm 
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I might try this Saturday:

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The Sylvan Host

Wood Elf Highborn - 282
Alter Kindred, Bow of Loren, Great Weapon, Light Armor, Shield, Glamorweave, Arcane Bodkins

Wood Elf Noble - 132
BSB, Asyendi's Bane, Light Armor, Hail of Doom Arrow

Spellsinger - 140
2 Dispel Scrolls

10 Glade Guard - 120

10 Glade Guard - 120

5 Glade Riders - 120

8 Dryads - 96

8 Dryads - 96

8 Dryads - 96

7 Wardancers - 126

7 Wardancers - 126

4 Treekin - 260

6 Wild Riders - 174
Standard Bearer

Treeman - 285

Great Eagle - 50

Total - 2248


I don't own a 2nd Alter model. :D I could drop the Treekin in favor of a BW and something else.

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:21 am 
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Location: Got an 8:30 rez at Dorsia... great sea urchin ceviche!
Why take the Glamourweave. After your machine gun kit you have points for the briarsheath and the SotCM, for -1 or 2 to hit from shooting, which is truly devastating when combined with cover, and a 3+ Ward for whatever gets through. I run my second Alter Hero with that defensive combo and I run him out in front of everything, perhaps along cover, and he is nigh impervious to shooting. He is my star, mage hunting and cleaning up shooters and skirmishers with reckless abandon. I think it is a great kit for a model on foot, and fits right in with your BoL combo.

Don't drop the TKin. And I'd put the BSB on the Eagle. 2o" mobile firing platform for that HoDA and the ability to both avoid dangerous combat and drop that BSB blanket right where you need it to be. Without some type of defensive kit it really is suicide to run him with the Wardancers. Any smart opponent would just direct all attacks against him, let the WDs get away with all the kills they want, and pick up that cool 100 points + cost for the BSB, without even worrying about capturing that banner.

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:32 pm 
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I'm not sure what to do with the remaining 169 points. I might use this tomorrow:

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The Sylvan Host

Highborn on Forest Dragon - 546
Sword of Might, Light Armor, Shield, Stone of the Crystal Mere, Annoyance of Netlings

Noble - 158
Alter, Great Weapon, Light Armor, Shield, Helm of the Hunt, Hail of Doom Arrow

Spellsinger - 140
2 Dispel Scrolls

10 Glade Guard - 120

10 Glade Guard - 120

8 Dryads - 96

8 Dryads - 96

5 Glade Riders - 120

8 Wardancers - 144

6 Wild Riders - 199
Standard Bearer, Warbanner

Treeman - 285

Great Eagle - 50

Total - 2074


I'm not sure what to do with the remaining 176 points.

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:11 pm 
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Location: Got an 8:30 rez at Dorsia... great sea urchin ceviche!
Options that jump out right away:

Full unit options:

1) 'Nother unit of 8 Wardancers with full command or shuffle to 2 units of 7 both with full command.
2) 'Nother unit of 6 Wild Riders.

*both options should leave points open for a muso on your GR and the Enchanted Shield on the Lord, both of which I'd want to fit in*

Spread the wealth option:

1 more unit of 8 Dryads, command group + 9th model for Wardancers, Champ for Wild Riders and muso for GR. Enchanted Shield for Lord and musos for your archers.

*This would be my preference since you get an additional unit in the Dryads plus you enhance the abilities of the rest of the army in a very even way. I guess everyone has their opinion about command groups, by I use all the ones I've suggested here in my list and I notice their influence in every game. Except for the Glade Guard musos, since I haven't taken archers in over a year. ;)*

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:18 am 
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Would you prefer Oaken & SotCM over BoL and AB? How about this?

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The Sylvan Host

Highborn on Forest Dragon - 567
Spear, Light Armor, Shield, Bow of Loren, Stone of the Crystal Mere, Arcane Bodkins

Noble - 158
Alter, Great Weapon, Light Armor, Shield, Helm of the Hunt, Hail of Doom Arrow

Spellsinger - 140
2 Dispel Scrolls

10 Glade Guard - 126
Musician

10 Glade Guard - 126
Musician

8 Dryads - 96

8 Dryads - 96

5 Glade Riders - 129
Musician

8 Wardancers - 151
Musician

3 Warhawk Riders - 120

6 Wild Riders - 199
Standard Bearer, Warbanner

Treeman - 285

Great Eagle - 50

Total - 2244

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 Post subject: Re: [2250][The Sylvan Host]
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:38 pm 
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Location: Got an 8:30 rez at Dorsia... great sea urchin ceviche!
Sure, gives you a back up plan in case the Stone pops on you, which having to cover the dragon in the case of massed shooting could make that fairly likely. But the machine gun will give you an advantage against Chaos Knights.

I also think that the Warhawks are probably a nice fit for this list. More power to you.

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