I'm playing a doubles tourney in a few weeks, using my Woodies with my buddy's Bretonnia. He's obviously going heavy on the Knights in various flavors, throw in some Pegasus, maybe a damsel, and a couple paladins.

Each player gets 1250 pts, use your own leadership, don't cause panic to team mates units, etc. It's essentially two separate armies like normal, just fighting together.

We don't know what we are facing. In general, what do you think would be some good things to compliment his army? I don't have his specific list, so just go by the guidelines I gave in the first paragraph.

I have a list or two in mind, which I am to lazy to find at the moment, but this is essentially what I have to work with. I am trying to acquire other units at the moment, but doubt it will happen.

Various Nobles and a couple of Spellsingers
3x10 GG and 2x8 Dryads
Wardances and Wild Riders
Treeman and an Eagle

I'm trying to get a branchwraith, another unit of dryads, and some glade riders, but I doubt it will happen before the 21st. I will try to get my initial lists up in a day or so, but please feel free to offer general or specific suggestions.

I would suggest to leave behind your "hardhitting" (if you can ever say that about elfs) units behind.

Give him some support with skirmishers and scouts/waywatchers and shooting.

Let him be the anvil and you be the hammer;)

I'd think just the opposite. You be the anvil and let his knights be the hammer. A treeman would be ridiculous in support of a mass of Bretonnia Lances. Skirmishers are great, but might end up being left behind. You might want to work with your patner on saving his charges for turn 3 so you can get in the fight together. Or, work on letting him control the flank while you enforce the middle.

If I had access to Bret Cav, do you know what I would want to compiment it? Treekin!

Send the Cav up the flank and bring the Treekin and Treeman up the middle, slightly off center opposite the flank. Your enemies won't know who to run from. You'll colapse on them by turn 3 and ruin them. They won't know how to defend. Especially if he brings Peg Knights! Forget about it!

If I were you, I wouldn't even look at my Wild Riders until this tourney is over. Especially if he has Peg Knights! Forget about it!

He's got plenty of speed, plus static combat rez, better armour, an arguably equal ward, and will be lead by better characters. He's bringing some of the best cav in the game, let him have it.

Especially if he brings Peg Knights! Forget about it!

Bretonnia is suffering now because they lack versatility to compete with the new dirtiness that's out there. You have a chance to fix that in a very dangerous way. Don't try to do what he does, compliment it.

Your shooting is a great example of that. his biggest weaknesses are mere fodder for you arrows, especially if you bring 30. The Eagle will be great against other knights but, if you do max out on archers, you should encourage him to bring mounted yoemen. fast cav is important and your too busy shooting to do it all yourself.

Mounted Yoemen get over looked because, for so long, questing knights were always so good. But with the Mounted Great Weapon rule being nerfed in 7th ed, those special slots don't look so scarce. QKs can't do anything that KotR can't, not any more. and for cheaper to boot.

Here's my advice on units in order of priority.

Treeman
Archers
Treekin
Wardancers

For fifty points, the Eagle should be obvious and doesn't need to be ranked. the point is to make sure you have room for that much. two units of wardancers would be nice if you can find the points.

Oh! and at least one Alter Kindred.

I'm at work so no access to my lists. I've been leaning heavily toward my 3 units of archers. I also agree about the treeman and eagle, the problem is I can only have one of them. I'm trying to find a way to get a hero on an eagle. There are no builds that really excite me though. I considered a BSB on an eagle, but at 1250 I don't think he would have enough utility.

And, of course, the classic alter was the first to go into my list.

You don't think a small unit of Wild Riders would be worth it?

Willowdark, I never took you for a Goodfella. Forget about it!

Not with how effective his Cavalry is. It would only detract the points away from the strengths that you have that he lacks, namely Treekin and Wardancers.

An Eagle rider might not be the best idea either. This is just my opinion of course, if you like him, use him. But your partner is going to have better characters, just like his better cav. Let him have those things and max out on your powerfull infantry and monsters.

Oh! And I don't know about being a Goodfella, but the Italian in me surely showed, didn't it! Just got a little excited. I think these two armies can be great together.

Sadly, no Treekin. Would have been great to help hold the center. I'm going to have to rely on my dryads and wardancers, which I am confident about. Backed by the Treeman and 30 missile troops, it'll be tough to break.

My main concern is getting an eagle in the list, but I dont want to sacrifice the treeman, and I don't like any of the combos for an eagle rider. Maybe a spellsinger, but that frigthens me to be honest.

I think you are right about the Wild Riders. He is taking pegasus knights.

I too am excited about this matchup, I think it is perfect as far as fluff and general army composition goes. Both armies have gone down a bit in power since the newer books have come out, but I think that they are still very competitive.

I have always like an eagle riding noble with the hail of doom, and Helm of the hunt.

He can really support those notes by eliminating missile units and artiliery, while march blocking.

If you have the models it would be ammusing to field a big EG unit + war banner and a BSB (SoCM + Sword of Might). Now that would be a nice anvil . . . Screen it with some dryads and clog up the middle while your buddy thunders down the flanks.

Ender, no go with the Eternal Guard. This is the first time I've really regretted not having block infantry like EG or Treekin.

As far as the Eagle goes, I just feel safer to have an Alter with the same payload. Any other builds you have found decent? I'm starting to think I'll have to do without the eagle.

This is what my first list looks like:
-Standard Alter
-Lvl 2 Spellsinger with Calaingor's and Scroll
-8 Wardancers with command
-8 Dryads
-2x10 GG
-1x10 GG with musician (I had extra points)
-Treeman

This brings me to 1245.

Things I'm considering:
-Dropping the Singer to a Lvl 1, and/or
-Exchanging a unit of GG with another unit of Dryads

Not sure what I would do with the points if I did one or both of these things? I could add a naked Branchwraith if I did both. Thoughts overall?

Can you talk your partner to supply the scroll Caddy? He can do it more efficeintly.

The addition of a branch wraith that could cast tree singing nearly accomplishe what the Stave is doing for you, so then you just need to come up with 25 points for the other half of the magic. And then you even have another dispel dice.

The next best thing to an eagle is glade riders . . . the would definelty keep up with the knights and do a good job of diverting and march blocking.

Can you talk your partner to supply the scroll Caddy? He can do it more efficeintly.

The addition of a branch wraith that could cast tree singing nearly accomplishe what the Stave is doing for you, so then you just need to come up with 25 points for the other half of the magic. And then you even have another dispel dice.

The next best thing to an eagle is glade riders . . . the would definelty keep up with the knights and do a good job of diverting and march blocking.

I'm pretty much sold on the Branchwraith. I'm in the search for 5 glade riders, but unless I can find some cheap and in a hurry, its not gonna happen. I've got one potential source, but I've not heard anything from him in a few days. I could just proxy my Wild Riders, but I just feel dirty doing that, haha.

Okay Attempt 2:

Alter Noble, Hod and Helm
Branchwraith (not wizard), cluster of radiants
2x10 GG
2x8 Dryads (one unit with a nymph to accompany the Wraith)
5 Glade Riders with musician
8 wardancers
1 Treeman

1250 exactly. Thoughts?

I could drop the nymph and give the dancers a musician, bringing me to 1245. Not sure which would be more helpful.

Well the musician can be very nice on the WD's to my experience. the rest of the list looks solid be sure to play some games with your friend to practise playing together. and point out things you need to see happening for your list to work ( Firing lanes for your archers for example and flanking manouvers)

should be a good run with they staying power and armour saves of Bret knights and the Fast leathal shots and attacks of the WE.

And it's even fluffy to

Cheers Jayz

If you like the Branchwraith, that's fine. But I think a good use of points would be to trade her in for more wardancers. Shift it and the other around for two units of 7 with champ and musician. A BW is nice to boost one unit of Dryads, but on the charge wardancers will do more damage and swing combat more effectively without a character. And you'll have two units with that damage capacity rather than just the one.

Also, I'd rather have the option to throw away units of Dryads. They're so deadly that your enemy will have to focus shooting and magic against them if you throw them out first. This could help deflect attention from you archers and Glade Riders who will drastically loose effectiveness with every wound they take. Especially if your partner takes a scroll caddie, I think points are almost always better spent on troops rather than characters.

If you do want the BW, consider the AoN. With no Treeman Ancient or Wardancer Lord - I know there would't be lords anyway, but - your opponent won't be expecting it. Identify your target and run straight at him. All the shooting and magic in the world won't stop them and by the time you charge, the unit will be so weak that he might think its a suicide run. Even against full rank and file you could tie if enough Dryads make it into combat, and with your high I you could keep him there for a while.

I'd rather see you with two units of WDs, but a BW w/ AoN would definitely work.