I've thought about it more. If I field this, I'm going to go SoM, Oaken, and SotCM. I enjoy combat.

A bit of a different approach with this list. I'm looking to purchase some new models to expand my force. I'm leaning towards buying a 2nd Alter and 6 Waywatchers. The list would look like this:



Thoughts? I needed the 3 points from the Highborn's shield.

looks like a fun list! I don't have a lot of experience with lists like that, so can't comment too much. Would be nice to have a banner in both units of wild riders . . . You have a lot of dryads, so you could drop a unit and add some command to the Dancers and Wild rider units. . . .

Well, you could loose a unit of Dryads in favor of the shield for your Highborn and then to buff that unit of Waywatchers. 6 of them just won't do anything. If all of them hit, at BS5 it's possible, you still only have a 1 in 6 chance to roll that KB. If you're randomizing for a Dragon rider then the odds aren't even worth calculating, but even a unit of knights will only drop 1 a turn at best.

I'd take them in units of 8-10, or not at all. the biggest impact that I find Waywatchers have lies in your opponents psychology. If he's afraid of them, he'll maneuver away from them, denying him lanes to advance things like Knights and Dragon Riders, closing the board and gaining back some of that movement advantage. I just don't think anyone will be afraid of 6 Waywatchers. And at 8-10 they can take a hit from a magic missile or from shooting skirmishers and still be strong enough to threaten warmachines.

I don't really like WW, but if you want them, invest in them. Don't try to squeeze them in because you like the models. They're too expensive, in both points and cash, to be cheap about how you run them.

Just my instincts, of course. I'm also very pro-"Dual Alter" character builds. I think that aspect of the list will be very powerful, especially against Knights and when combined with the WW threat.

While I understand your thinking, I didn't see fit to field 8 - 10. I design all my lists to be "all-comers" and I don't see a massive unit of Waywatchers always being particularly useful. However, I do love the models so I am going to give them a try.

6 will give me a small footprint so that I can move around relatively easy. They'll be march-blocking from Turn 1 and can hopefully put some pressure on Warmachines if necessary. As for Knights, I figure that if per-turn they can drop 1 and the Highborn drops 1 or 2, I'll be in good shape. Everyone here runs Knights in squads of 5. When you figure both Alters can charge with 10 WS7 S6 attacks, I don't need 2 or 3 KBs per turn. :p My Treeman can go do other fun things since I'll now have other units to pester Knights. Also, if they're only 6 strong, it's very likely they'll be ignored.

I like having 3 units of Dryads.

So do I, my friend. So do I.

You have some good points. I don't agree, but they seem like they'll work for you. Remember, 1 KB a turn is the absolute _best_ you can manage from that unit on any kind of consistent basis. Most of the time your arrows will bounce off, particularly against T4 Chaos Knights. And again, if you fail to land a wound on turn one, then take a magic missile in return, thats 144 pts practically wasted. You can't even march block and are a much smaller threat to warmachines.

I personally never understood the aversion to WW around 8 or 9 models. Every time I've seen them like that they've been effective. Nothing about it is hard to scout, especially in woods or buildings where they really shine. There's certainly nothing about it that makes them less effective against one opponent than another. Sure, you sacrifice st4 longbows, but you're still firing 8 or 9 shots at BS 5, and are usually in close range. That will hurt skinks and Terradons, or direwolves and fell bats pretty badly, as well as Shades.

Don't forget, with special deployment he usually can't deny you scouting, even if he has scout and gets to drop them first. I'd take 8 Waywatchers against 9 Shades anyday. You've got the turn one shooting threat (you're BS 5 at close range vs Shades who move + multi-shot + skirmisher + Forest Stalker, the to-hit penalties make me dizzy!) and a better chance to grab the charge if he gose first and wants to shoot rather than run away.

And at least your opponent's Knights have to contend with an almost guaranteed KB from each volley, rather than trying to be brave and run right through 6, which are just as likely to fail to wound as anything.

Possible revision:

From what I've gathered from crunching numbers with you these past few months, you a guy with enough models, painted, to run all of these different lists that you throw around these boards. I envy that. I also see that you like TMen, but clearly, you don't need one in ever list. I think this is a very mature concession and I think it make the list incredibly flexible and the improvements make every unit fully effective while balancing cost.

One possible change could be to drop the nonWarbanner WRs to 5 plain, then use the points to give your BW the AoN and to trade the Glamourweave on your lord for the Briarsheath and the Stone of the Crystal Mere. I think those are better builds for each, for a lot of pretty obvious reasons.

Yes, I own a lot of models. In fact, all all I could really use are more Glade Guard and Riders. I have 20 and 5 of each, respectively.

I am more than confident in my tactics and feel I can handle any list well enough. I haven't lost yet! Also, I'm beginning to feel my Treemen aren't always my best bet against VC & WoC.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Bow of Loren + Arcane Bodkins + Glamorweave (or SotCM) = 90 points. There simply aren't enough points to fit the Briarsheath as well.... I would like the AoN if I could find the 25 points.

Are Arcane Bodkins 20 pts or 25? I don't have my book but I've always thought the combo was 55 points. I might be wrong.

I take the TMan because I like the model and the mobility, but I don't usually expect him to be my star, unless there's two of them. I think you're good with this.

How 'bout a BatRep!?!

My first game probably won't be until next Saturday.

Bodkins are 25 points.